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Mad bidding on suspect ludwig kit

Post  Mark [Admin] on Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:48 am

Not many 60's ludwigs show up on TM but I knew what this was straight away when I first saw it. However un-original metal bass drums hoops and tom holder, no badges, suspect wrap and a rail consulate that should not be mounted in the centre of the bass drum should have kept this at a reasonable price.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=235179040
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I know, crazzzzy

Post  Andrew G on Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:13 am

Hey Mark. Yeah, that was me. I had hoped the price would be reasonable but not to be. Sometimes you just have to take a punt. I had picked up all of the things you picked up (with a bit of help from the vintage drum forum). It'll probably show up and turn out to be a Star or something.

BTW, the Dynasonic is sounding great. Got the snare frame for it too. It's now my regular gigging snare.

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Post  Mark [Admin] on Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:29 pm

ahh!, thought it was you mate – I also know the other bidder Nick Sergeant. If it is a 60's Ludwig super classic in blue oyster pearl it won't be too hard to get up to scratch again and worth every dollar plus some. PM me if you need help sourcing repro wood hoops and 60's badges. Clean it up right and it'll look like this...





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thanks mate

Post  Andrew G on Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:56 pm

I'll be in touch. I'll definately be needing those bits - and more. Hopefully it's not in too bad a state. Typically, the seller, thinking it was a $200 "learner kit", didn't feel it necessary to describe the condition in any detail even when asked. Fingers crossed.

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Post  Mark [Admin] on Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:13 pm

Average price for a 60's or 70's ludwig in NZ is between $2500 - $3500 so if it is a 60's blue oyster kit you did well. I'm hoping for you too dude. Let me know when you get it.
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Re: Mad bidding on suspect ludwig kit

Post  Andrew G on Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:10 am

Well it turned up and unfortunately the rack tom doesn't match. It's had the Ludwig hardware added (probably from the original drum) destroying whatever shell it is in the process as the lug hole spacings didn't match. Wrap is slightly different too. The bass drum wrap is pretty ropey and the drum has 4 extra hole where the Jap rail was fitted. So a bit disapointing really (damn you Nick Sergeant:^)). It'll still clean up alright and It'll be a good player kit if I can track down a 12" tom in Blue oyster pearl. Obviously there's the missing wooden hoops, badges, tom mount and rail........ Still has the original reso on the floor tom though, although it needs to be replaced.

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Post  Mark [Admin] on Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:41 am

Pics? A 60's classic tom in blue oyster shouldn't be to hard or expensive to track down. Wonder what shell the 12" has now? Bet the seller was happy with the outcome. At least it has the correct bass and floor mate cause they are the biggest and most expensive bits to try and bring from the states.
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Re: Mad bidding on suspect ludwig kit

Post  Andrew G on Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:14 am

Yeah, I figured it would be the easiest and least expensive of the drums to get hold of.
I'll post some pics soon.

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Post  Andrew G on Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:19 am

The offending tom


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Post  Mark [Admin] on Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:48 am

2 mufflers... wow, could be an old english drum like a beverley. Any pictures of the other drums?
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Re: Mad bidding on suspect ludwig kit

Post  Andrew G on Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:20 am

Here you go. There is a bit of work to do but it'll be a nice kit when finished. You can see the damage to the bass wrap and there's not much I can do about that but it's not that noticeable unless you look close. There will also be 4 extra holes where that rail has been attached. Can you date it Mark? There are no date stamps inside and no badges. Somewhere out there is probably an 80's Tama with original Ludwig badges Razz






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Post  Mark [Admin] on Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:39 pm

I think you did ok on that dude, you'd easy get your money back if you put it back up with better description and pics. Pity that guy was such an clown about providing details etc. The cracks in the wrap are pretty common on oyster pearls, I have a few hairlines on my black oyster in the pics above. I bet she will sound great with some new heads and it looks like the rack tom could be at least a comparable british drum which seems a good match. I forgot to ask... what were the cymbals?
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Re: Mad bidding on suspect ludwig kit

Post  Andrew G on Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:28 am

Cymbals? Just some no name pieces of crap unfortunately. The rest of the stuff was pretty ordinary. An old but not terribly good Premier kick pedal, an incomplete old Prem snare stand etc. I'm sure someone will want the Olympic marching snare which will go on TM soon.

A good point to the two Luddys is the chrome is very good. Very little pitting or rust, unlike my old Pearl kits.

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Post  Mark [Admin] on Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:29 am

I think those will kick man, I suggest getting some keystone badges and repro black wood hoops with inlays and she will look and sound killer.
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Re: Mad bidding on suspect ludwig kit

Post  Andrew G on Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:51 am

...and you can help with these items?
Just stripped the FT and started cleaning it. It's actually in pretty good shape and all the tention rods are correct and the lugs are in excellent shape. Even the BD claws and T-rods seem to be all correct and present. It's certainly getting better and will be a very cool kit when cleaned up.

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Post  Mark [Admin] on Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:26 pm

Yep, know a few people who have lots of parts stateside – your best bet with the hoops is probably keller repro's although you could pick up a second hand pair on ebay. Send me your ph number via PM and i'll give you a call.
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Re: Mad bidding on suspect ludwig kit

Post  Andrew G on Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:08 am

done

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